@samuel bell- Sam explain to me how this is a common sense measure? What and how are you basing this? Just curious?

“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” -Ben Franklin

Sam - You can't believe that fingerprinting all gun owners and requiring them to pay a $100 tax every year per firearm isn't law already?

Samuel Bell - Are you the same Samuel Bell that is the state coordinator for the Progressive Democrats of America?

www.rifuture.org/author/samwbell

Along with my fellow gun-owners I feel too many aspects of this bill infringe upon my 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendment rights. This bill clearly conflicts with current state and federal constitutional law. The proposal in the bill to repeal section 11-47-41 is outright disturbing, selfish, and entirely premature. Bill 5573 is a true invasion of privacy and private property, an action set to further vilify law abiding gun owners and bring them one step closer to criminal status.
Such derisive laws and regulations are going to do absolutely nothing to reduce criminal gun violence and the larger national issue of mass shootings such as Sandy Hook. The bill fails to address true problems such as gang violence, mental illness, and video game/movie violence desensitization.
5573 is an attack on the wrong people! Why should we make it harder for law abiding gun owners to keep their current firearms and purchase new ones? Will criminals be any more likely to follow these new laws? This bill would further alienate a large population who are already burdened financially and troubled by the erosion of their personal rights and freedoms in the State of Rhode Island!
Our state already has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation.

It's idiot polititions like Finn that are the problem, not guns. Bad laws that creae gun free zones make them high value target areas, not at all safe for anyone but the killer. And this common-sense idiocy is also the problem. You want some common sens Mr. Bell, here. It is a fact that criminals do NOT obey laws so gun laws don't work against them, but they do make the rest of us less safe. Another fact for you is that the ONLY way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. If you can tell me how you or Rep. Finn are going to tell me how you are going to get criminals to obey laws go ahead. Is that crickets I hear? I thought so. How in the heck to such people even learn how to type?

@dawn emsellem- So Dawn, an issue of public health? How about you reseach how many folks drop dead per year from cigarettes, compared to gun deaths. How bout you research how many of those gun related deaths were actually caused by law abiding citizens? How many were caused by police( oh yeah that counts too)? How many were gang related or drug related? Can you do that, before you go generalizing with one Left wing study. You will see that the amount of deaths caused by guns in relation to lawful gunowners, is so low, that it doesn't even register. This isn't a public health issue. This is a need for the Feds to follow the current gun laws(which they do not). The State of RI already has plenty of gun laws that work just fine.

You know, I recall an unfortunate incident in Providence this past winter where a young girl died in a sled accident. Obviously, sleds are unsafe and they kill people. I must say that I am actually appalled that Mrs. Finn has not introduced any sled-ban directives. Where is the outrage? We need to keep our children and our state safe from sleds, which are obviously lethal in nature. So yes, Dawn, if you think that common sense = fascism, then yes, I agree with you. Bet's not just stop at sleds. Why don't we impose bans also on alcohol (they tried that once), cars, rope, steak knives, softball bats (let's just ban the sport altogether - bats are dangerous), football, boating, skiing. Oh, and martial arts, we really can't have those... If I'm leaving anything else that is dangerous out, please let me know. This way, I could pass all these issues onto the state legislature so we could have a more safe and secure state.

Check the FBI site dawn and you will see more people were killed with a Hammer last year then a rifle. (thats all types of rifles). It is not a public health issue either. In fact it is a rights issue protected by the "Rhode Island Constitution".

"The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", Can't be more clear than that. So if you support this, then you support taking rights away from citizens in violation of our State Constitution period.

To further expand on this Dawn. You do know that you have no right to own a car. It is a privilage and that is why it can be so stringently regulated. Owning a weapon is a right. There is a profound difference and the two cannot be compared.

Dawn, Ralph is point on. Take the State of Texas for example. Are you aware that many "women" carry in their pocketbook. It's a preventative (that works and has worked for decades) and it draws a line between the citizen owners and the criminal element. It's also why crime in these areas is nearly zero. Why are there no car jackings, rapes, etc among those areas where the right to bear arms is prevalent? The real criminals flock and flourish among those areas (big cities) where the victims are numerous, however, are without a defense. Look closely at whats taking shape in NYC. Reports (in the public domain) evidence that crimes are down. Gun ownership is a preservation of our rights and it keeps the criminal element "in-check", it does not provoke further crimes.

No she's not and neither are you. Cars are not the problem with traffic deaths and neither are poisons in poisoning deaths and guns are not responsible for gun violence, evil people that want to kill are the problem. Until you or Finn can convince the rest of us that you have found a way to get the criminals to obey the hundreds of gun laws already on the books you need to drop the topic. Nothing either of you have offered has even came close to solving the murder problem, which is not a gun problem in this country. It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. Did you not hear that the common sense resides in Newtown Connecticut. They have hired armed guards to guard the schools not, becaus ethey are smart enough to understand that putting a good guy with a gun in the schools is the only proven solution to the school massacre problem. The focus should be looking at the criminal and mentally insane, not the tools they choose.

Guns don't kill people.

They do seem to be frequently present when it's a wholesale slaughter.
What are you smoking? This kind of denial makes gun-rights advocates appear
genuinely unhinged from reality.

Absolutely correct JSR. Read my post above. The real issue is what needs to be addressed as it has been outside of the mainstream. The measures at current are only a means to totally obliterate the 2nd amendment.

Dear JSR, stop being so paranoid and please read the bill before you spread such nonsense. as in the previous bill you will still need to apply for purchasing a gun. The new legislation proposes to keep your application on file instead of destroying it after 30 days. further the safety device applies to the seller and not to the purchaser. once you are at home you are free to run around naked and pose in front of the mirror with your new purchased retro-combat rifle.

@Aspir7n- So keeping it on file for what? Forever? Still registration. I think JSR has every right to be a bit concerned about this. RI has good solid gun laws on it's books. So from where I am standing, this looks more like tightening the noose a bit more. This is nothing but a Liberal dog and pony show. You have to look at it from all sides. How does this effect criminals? Nobody can answer that. It only affects those who apply lawfully or are lawfull gun owners.

@Ralph. I am a liberal dog and believe me I do think the government is getting too involved in our personal business. But America has a severe gun violence problem. I don't agree but I understand that some believe they need to own guns for either recreation or personal safety. That is their right. But I believe you agree that this right is not unconditional. If somebody gets convicted for a gun related crime I want law enforcement to know where his previous purchased guns are. I know this is slim path where this could lead too. Will the police be able to confiscate guns of suicidal men, parents of kids who wrote murder threats on facebook etc? I do not know. But this would need to be addressed by higher courts. But I do believe it will make it more difficult for criminals to get their hands on a legally purchased and registered gun.

@Aspir7n- You are correct. We do have a severe gun violence problem. Where does it exist though? There are Federal laws that do address just the example you site. There are laws that can and do track serial numbers of guns. There are laws that prosecute those who buy guns for felons, this is known as straw buys. Problem is the Feds are not following through with these convictions. Only a small percentage, ever get looked at. So the issue isn't to pass more laws, its enforcing current ones. I do believe it is unconditional. I mean the second amendment states this. As I stated below, you are creating tighter restrictions at the expense of the many(lawful gun owners) in hopes to prevent future horrific outcomes by a few like the one in Newtown. You see it all around the country now, gun laws being passed, that do nothing to prevent gun violence where it most commonly occurs.

Thank God for midterm elections with smarter electorates and your change of heart!

Your privacy and ownership of lethal weapons is of near zero consequence to the rest of us - it's about your claim to something that provides the rest of us zero utility.

Meanwhile, your unsecured weapons are being used on the rest of us.
That's a clear and present danger.

20 funerals for toddlers - that's onerous.

They clearly do not. In fact Finn and folks who are driven by irrational emotions and not by facts fail to recognize complicit in the shooting deaths at Sandy Hook were two gun-ban laws: The Gun Free School Zone Act 1994 and Connecticut's "Assault Weapons" Ban. These gun control laws enabled Adam Lanza because he knew there would be no resistance. Same with Columbine and other school shootings.

Adam Lanza's murder of his mother to get more weapons sort of illustrates the problem you gun-rights advocates can't answer - you are unable to secure your
arsenals, and are now a threat to the rest of us. Good for shooting unarmed teenagers and murdering toddlers, not so much for anything else.

Bravo, vigilantes.

"Educate yourselves on why we have thus far been a free country. If irrational bills driven by emotions trumps rational thinking, we'll all be the worst for it. The personal biases of a legislator doesn't give her the right to deny our rights, that's tyranny."

You're sort of illustrating the overheated, spittle-inflected illustration of the temperment LEAST qualified to handle a lethal weapon. Much like Alex Jones, this submission is more an exhibit supporting the rationale for tighter controls.

Where do you think criminals get their guns, in the first place?
Who do you think is getting shot with legal guns, anyway?

It's not a personal bias; identifying an epidemic and proposing a quarantine.

just googled 'police stolen guns'. the first hit: http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/crime/police-cracking-down-on-stolen-guns

In 2011, investigators arrested convicted felon Thomas Hardy for gunning down Officer David Moore. Detectives discovered Hardy shot Moore just hours after purchasing a gun. Federal investigators learned that convicted felon Eric Boo Jenkins sold the gun to Hardy. A grand jury later indicted Jenkins for selling that gun...

I guess that pretty much proves the point of this new bill. I truly believe that 99.9% of gun owners are responsible and law abiding citizens but there are (too) many black sheep among then who resell their guns because they are not registered.

@Asir7n
http://plymouth.patch.com/articles/plymouth-police-captain-s-gun-stolen-in-court
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpdyn/content/article/2006/07/06/AR2006070601614.html
http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/local_news/atf-adds--to-find-thief-who-targeted-law-enforcement
http://news.yahoo.com/video/carlisle-police-chiefs-gun-stolen-162211333.html
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/police_guns_stolen_4D2egu5NtD7PbVkRCPaBCI
Pretty sure you missed the point of google search
#ignorancemustbebliss

What you continue to not understand Aspir7n, (No disrespect) is that criminals do not obey laws period, thats why they are criminals. (Law enforcement is there to protect the people). Well many say that, it is not true it is a misnomer, the military is there to protect the populace, law enforcement is there to enforce the laws and to catch criminals and bring them to justice.

Unless you can come up with a way to positively know when a person will turn criminal, a law penalizing honest citizens will accomplish nothing and how can you possibly think that is right?

I for one am in agreement with many others that this Country is in trouble not because of guns. with the estimate now being over a 100 million owner of over 350 million weapons, it goes against everything anti-gun crowd says. There are a lot of murders in this Country no doubt. However with 1/3 of the population armed with so many guns, why is it not anarchy? Because honest owner do not commit evil acts.

Evil has have been around since the beginning of time and is not preventable in any way.

I would like to thank you for being respectful on this issue and one of the few not using hyperbole to get a point across though I totally disagree with you. ;-}

@Aspir7n

A convicted felon sold a gun to a convicted felon? Do you REALLY think Finn's law would stop that?

oops forgot. This Country is in trouble because its moral Compass is going down the drain fast. Division is at an all time high because of this in my opinion. So many issues besides this one are now based on emotion, rather than well though out answers to our problems, be they violence, economy, education or whatever. This Country was based on moral thought because the founders new that a free society would have to be a moral one so the the basic laws would be followed.

With out morality there is nothing but chaos and that leads to anarchy and destroy's every society to the point of extinction in my opinion. We should be focused on the ills that have caused this, not waste time on Bills like this that are merely feel good do nothing laws.

Much as I am leery to say this. But is so reminds me of the issues or abortion, gay rights, don't ask don't tell and on and on. These issues accomplish nothing if we do not have a society at all. Some may think I am over stating this with broad strokes. But every little thing is intertwined and effects the most basic principle the Country was founded on. Namely FREEDOM.

Basecase@

There is no need for (#ignorancemustbebliss) comments, everyone is entitle to their opinon but to assume "Aspir7n" is ignorant is not condusive to a reasonable debate on this issue and is not respected by those of us who take it seriously. By doing that you only fall into the trap that those with extrem anti-gun agenda's want to see so they can label all gun owners nuts.

Aspir7n is debating thoughfully on his own views of this issue. Please argue to his.her points and not name call, that only hurts the true cause of pro-gun advocate which is to not lose out rights. Just saying ;-}.

if you lawfully own the gun the you should have nothing to worry about! you aren't getting stalked, you are getting tracked about how many guns you purchase. people who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. im concerned that you are trying to be very stealthy with your gun. you still have your beloved gun, you just have to tell the government that you own it. if you are incapable of doing that then you obviously should not own the gun in the first place

Really Jane Really!!! Thats your answer to this.

Well if you are a lawfull person with nothing to hide, I want you to be fingerprinted, have a mental health evaluation for the police to keep track of, list of everything you own, (just in case there is something in your house that can be used as a murder weapon like, bleach, lye, knives, bats, household bomb making materials etc) (because lets face it, if you people who have nothing to hide, hide nothing and are going to be stealthy about that) and I quote your post "you just have to tell the government that you own it. if you are incapable of doing that then you obviously should not own the gun in the first place".

You should have added or anything that can do a violent act in the future, becuase the Government can't read minds.

I wish to know if you drink alcohol, or take any prescription drugs, so they can be put into a data base for future use should you sell them to a teen.

Oh I guess i need to know why you drink, and what you take the perscription drugs for also well were at it.

Think all that is silly Jane? Yes it is, just as silly as your post is. What is scarey is that yopu think the Government should have full control over people. Now thats scary, not to mention why this Country has lost so many to Wars since it's inception, for a little thing called freedom, that you seem to not care about. That is also sad in my opinion only of course ;-}

Jane Blume@

You also said this on a previous article on another subject, which I totally agree with you on seriously.

Perhaps you should apply that reasoning to this before assuming all gun owners are fools and hiding something. You also should follow your advise on "I cant believe that people like to publicly share their views on something they know nothing about" Try Reading the Rhode Island Constitution where it says; Section 22 article 1

“The right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed”

Definition of infringe is exactly what this Bill does no more no less.

Merriam/Webster

INFRINGE

transitive verb

1: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <infringe a patent>
2: obsolete: DEFEAT, FRUSTRATE

Just saying.

• Jane blume
2:53 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
"Let he/she without sin cast the first stone." I cant believe that people like to publicly share their views on something they know nothing about. I understand the community wants to know of what happens within the town's vicinity; however, the situation was neutralized, and it is none of our business to put in our worthless two cents about what we think of the situation.

Please - what is the discussion going to get anyone? Every bill gets heard in committee...thats not an accomplishment!

@Bob Olivera- Bob....this discussion is hopefully going to get people motivated to get involved. People have to stop sitting on the sidelines and get involved.

how does this bill stop criminals from stealing FIREARMS AND USING THEM???
Now if people were smart , they would propose a bill to use fingerprint recognition technology on grips of firearms that are programmed at purchase of a firearm, this would prevent unauthorized usage and deter criminal since they cannot sell a biometric locked firearm... I would love to help with this tech as it is something I was working on....

The 2nd amendment isn't threatened you say. Your completely desensitized and need to redirect your attention away from the mainstream (dinosaur) media and propaganda. It's okay though, I don't blame you. Your opinion is yours and yours alone. However, Diane Feinstein is on the war path again to ban guns and implement gun control (upon law abiding gun owners); A backdoor method to ban guns from all law abiding citizens, New York passed (New York’s Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act in January) which imposes a seven round limit that will effectively outlaw a large number of firearms and create a new class of criminals. The law mandates (a mandate is not a law) a seven round maximum capacity for ammunition magazines and there are currently no manufacturers producing seven round magazines. And no manufacturer plans to start making them; Stop what ever you're doing and start comprehending some of the real issues plaguing this Country -It's a wake-up call, but many will still be asleep at the wheel as the police state continues full steam; NJ Assembly approves gun control; Dem's are introducing gun control nationwide; Gun control in my opinion is illegal and treasonous, but the 2nd is well preserved. Petition the bill! There's no shortage of gun control news: http://planet.infowars.com/guns/gun-control-news

http://planet.infowars.com/uncategorized/gun-control-3

http://www.infowars.com/how-the-post-sandy-hook-gun-control-push-spectacularly-backfired-in-america/

I would add Craig@, that NY also forgot to exempt the law enforcement and are now having to ammend that Bill to correct their stupidity with their knee jerk reaction to not solving anything.

@Jay Down South- So lets see? A gang banger in say Chicago who has been in and out of the prison system, guns down a dozen or so other opposing gang members or innocent people who, just happened to be in the way in say a three year period. A convicted felon, but yet not caught in the act of murdering these people? Sounds like mass killing to me. Your point seems to be, so to pass this type of legistlation or revise it, will somehow stop a mentally deranged individual (non-criminal) from getting their hands on a firearm and commit mass murder. Umm?? That was tried in Conn. Conn. has some of the most strict gun laws in the country. Seems that didn't stop that whack job from committing such a horrible crime. So at the expense of the many lawful and non violent gun owners, this bill must be passed to what, hopefully stop another Sandy Hook. Jay, that is a bit of a reach and you are a bit unrealistic.

Go to Camden, NJ or north Chicago ... day or night .... and you tell me if you see law abiding citizens....
mental health is not obvious, thugs and people sitting on the drug corners are!!!

@ pat- Exactly! It is as simple as what you describe needs to be really addressed. However, some can't seem to get their head wrapped around such topics. Also, the "leak" is a big probability. You can put layer after layer of gun legistlations on the books, and it won't add up to a hill of beans if you can't get to the root cause of gun violence. Seems nobody wants to go there? Why, because it's too much work. It doesnt look or sound good politically. That's all this boils down too. Politicking. A dog and pony show at best.

Pat, see my reply above that addressed mental health issues. More specifically, the prescription drug use implemented into society that has become a precursor to driving those to commit such disgusting crimes. I don't agree that the real criminals on our streets should possess guns, but when you strip the lawful abiding gun owners (the majority), and only the criminals are left with weapons of choice, what defense do you have to lawfully protect your family should the need arise? The 2nd amendment was created to protect against a tyrannical gvt.

possibly because neighboring Indiana has the least strict gun laws. you can literally walk over the state border from Chicago to Indiana and buy any gun you want without any question asked.

@Aspir7n- Actually I read a recent article where they said that many of the weapons used in gun related crimes were purchased at a local gun shop near the neighborhoods where a lot of this violence occurs. Not to say that they don't go across state lines. However, that brings me to my point that I made earlier to you. Straw buying is a crime that the Feds just don't pursue enough. If they followed up or investigated these leads, you would see some drop in criminal activity.

So Aspir7n@ it is all the fault of The State Indiana that criminals go to Indiana and do a criminal act by bringing the weapon to Chi-town to murder someone? Do we put the State of Indiana in jail or abrogate their right to run their State the way the their voters do? Perhaps we should take away the citizens rights to vote in Indiana and let Chi-town decide their laws. Yes I am being "facietious", but you cannot blame a State for criminal acts any more than you can blame an inanimate object.

It is the self-responsibilty of the individual and their personal choice to commit crime, that is why we do not jail a whole family for the actions of one member of a family or the actions of one member of an organization. I fail to see your logic in this debate so far.

How does that logic work my friend. just asking

@Jack. Can't blame Indiana. if their gun laws work for them I will not complain. must be very frustrating for Chicago citizens though if you can purchase guns so easily over the border. I do not know why the feds do not pursue these crimes enough. are they not able or not willing?

Well stated Jack. there are 3 times more murders by knives in the USA then by rifles. Her bill is 1005 focused on Law Abiding Citizens an placing restrictions on the 2nd amendment.

I should add that the Rhode Island Constitution has only that line in it. It does not mention Militia's, hunting, sport or anything else. Only the people of this State can Change that. Not the Federal Government or any legislature. We the People are the only ones who have the Power to change the State or Federal Constitution, thank goodness.

Thank you Roger, I try ;-}

Your quote deserves attribution. It was said by Martin Niemoller a German clergyman imprisoned by Hitler and released by the American Army in 1945.

"The second amendment is the “People’s” guarantee that we are not deprived of the other amendments!" Right, you and all the other out of shape, clueless, beer-bellied belligerent loudmouths are going to stare down the tryannical US Government. Cool story, Bro.

If this bogus line of reasoning were applicable, Timothy McVeigh would be free.
Please - this is an NRA sponsored vigilante's wet dream.

@Naome Lixes
You’re an angry elf, aren’t you? You have to relax, Bro. It’s O.K. to be less then correct, like you are.

So don’t even think you know me or can stereotype me. I could say the same (and even worse) about you! But let’s try to get beyond idiotic statements like yours. As for staring down a tyrannical (which you spelled wrong) government; no I have no desire. But guess what; I would. With my AR-15

So tell me, why do you think Timothy McVeigh would be free? Can’t wait to hear this one. With logic like yours it no wonder we are not in worse shape in the country! By the way, it has nothing to do with being vigilante or an NRA mouthpiece (although I am a card carrying member of the NRA that votes in EVERY election – and very proud of that), it has to do with being an American. And I’m still proud to be an American!

"You’re an angry elf, aren’t you? You have to relax, Bro. It’s O.K. to be less then correct, like you are."

After comparing you poor, downtrodden, victims of discrimination - gun owners
to the people slaughtered by the Nazis? Angry doesn't cover the half of it.

"As for staring down a tyrannical (which you spelled wrong) government; no I have no desire. But guess what; I would. With my AR-15." You're Batman, I geddit.
You're good with spelling, after midnight. Mensa will be calling, soon.

Right. Line of National Guardsman, in front of tanks versus you and your trusty .223 - just like "Red Dawn"...what a steaming load.

You gun nuts aren't keeping the rest of us free (not that we asked you to, FYI)
you're threatening your neighbors.

I want my country back from you mouth breathers.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/172100/how-nra-became-organization-aspiring-vigilantes-part-1

Except for the pesky fact that this is completely bogus.
It's just another ginned-up pious fraud used to justify anarchy and insurrection.

You lost an election, and now threaten violence. That's fascist. We beat you bastards in Germany, and we'll do it here if we must. You're either with us Americans or against us, troopah - which is it?

You trotted this out, last go round troopah. You can't really be this dense, can you?
http://propagandaprofessor.net/2011/09/26/the-myth-of-hitlers-gun-ban/
http://propagandaprofessor.net/2013/02/18/more-on-the-myth-of-hitlers-gun-ban-part-1/

No, it's not.

What part of "well-regulated" does it contravene. It would appear that the country is awash in guns, readily available to those least responsible to handle them.

You lot can't police your personal arsenals - it's now a public health risk.
That's not a private matter.

"Where do you draw the line on surrendering your liberties to the government?"
Your rights don't trump the obvious threat gun ownership now appears to hold
over life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for the rest of us.

Nancy Lanza was by all accounts a responsible gun owner. That isn't enough.

As usual NL you are off target. This Bill clearly violates. The States Constitution in every aspect of the word Infringed and has nothing to do with Militia's.

“The right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed”

Merriam/Webster

INFRINGE

transitive verb

1: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <infringe a patent>
2: obsolete: DEFEAT, FRUSTRATE

PS don't expect many comments from me on yours as I am tired of your resorting to name calling a derogatory personal attacks you always end up doing. Though it does prove the point of who is unbalanced on this issue in my opinion lol.

Gee, another unattributed quote and from my brother Jack, how unlike him. We must give George Santiana his due.

Yea could recall the name smarty pants lol. Figured most people would have heard it before but then again maybe not lol. Have to try and do better Big Jim.

I think the Dalai Lama would kick your cracker ass for misquoting him.

He preaches non-violence, you imbecile. Mohandas Gandhi practiced ahimsa,
connecting him to the ownership of lethal weapons dishonors his legacy.

You should really be asking a deep question of yourself, if you're going to sully the reputation of peacable men - what makes you so afraid that you cling to weapons?

It's cowardice, to ignore the suffering of victims and perpetuate murder.
That's what guns are for, the taking of human life.

When did the obvious become obscure?

Cracker NL@. lol wow everything is racist to you isn't it, when will you start with the old foggy white guys comments.

You will find it is not Dali is not misquoted and neither is Ghandi. In any case the post are about this Gun Control bill not your legend in your own mind rhetoric of personal attacks rather than the Bill it self. Nighty night.

I figured you would eventially get here to this and dattempt to disrupt what has been a respectfull debate on both sides from the vast majority of posters. But go ahead do rants and endless pundit links, its not like we don't see it on everything you post. (don't pay attention to it, but like a pimple we know its there lol)

You tedious, pedantic, pinheaded half-wit.

Laws aren't to stop bad behaviour, they are in place to punish malefactors.
It's like saying we shouldn't have laws prohibiting predation on children because
the pedophiles will ignore that anyway.

"How about we enforce them first before penalizing the honest Citizen."
Good idea. Start with fully funding the ATF which has been gutted under constant lobbying by the NRA. Why not list the NRA as what it is, an industry lobby.

It's an industry that sells destabilization, fear, mistrust and death.

@Naome Lixes
I love when you speak. You do more to hurt your case with your belligerent, condescending, disrespectful, and insulting attitude than anything we pro-freedom lovers could do. I would so love to do an interview with you and your views so we could play it all over the airwaves. The debate would be dead – thanks to you. So please, do speak on! You are after all so eloquent and educated. You may be arguing for arguing sake, but you will be known by your words and deeds! Bravo!

@ "James Madison"

Two things; what kind of parent keeps an AR-15 in their house after Sandy Hook?
What kind of parent is posting here, at ONE THIRTY in the morning?

I call shenanigans. Like so many on this thread, I doubt you have either family responsibilities or a J-O-B. The problem with this "pro-freedom" virulent line of Nostalgia is that it's getting our kids killed.

America won't be held hostage to your NRA sponsored fantasy.
It's a death fetish that has spilled over into the public realm.
Enough, already.

She can also be contacted via:
http://www.lindafinngardendesign.com/contact.html

@Pete Hewett-- Pete, Take the link that I posted of her email address and write her. Write her directly and put down what you just did.

Pete has shown a great response and example of how to handle this situation when communicating with the legislaturers.

Thanks Pete.

I did email her and yes I was very polite. Being rude would gain us nothing.

You are incorrect Aspir7n. That is not how it works. That is the axium of "pelosi" We have to pass the bill to see whats in it". The people have the right to stop a bad law from even being heard if they so chose. By your logic you do not prevent a crime if you know it will happen. You wait till it happens then deal with it.

Perhap you should read about those depots and how it started before they became depots. You do know Hitler, Stalin, polpot etc, were much loved prior to them turning on the people? This bill is nothing more than a stepping stone to curtail the rights of law abiding people. Do you think all people should be finger printed and put in a database that own a gun. You agree with the German Law passed in the 30s that the Jews who were put into a data base, Tatoo with numbers, forced to wear a star of david under the guise that they were infearior and a danger to German society. That what you are defending?

That is not and out ragious comparision, it is a history lesson of what happ-ens when the Government is allowed to begin taking rights away from citizens, no matter the reasoning. It has always led to genocide every single time.

To add to that. This Bill is assuming that all Gun owners are somehow irresponsible and a danger to society and mustr therefore be cataloged, finger printed and every weapon they own be on a list in law enforcement. Why is that needed for a person who has done nothing illegal. Is there a list in law enforment of every drug I but at CVS I have in my house. How about knives, bats, power tools, and anyother inanimate object that can be used for a weapon from rocks to ice.

Your eyebrows should be raised about trusting the Government to be fair and equal, not discrimitory and trying to tell you how to run your life and decide that the past freedoms you had no longer apply when those freedom are writen in our Constitutions, be it State or Federal.

Not trying to be offensive to you. However for you to not explain your logic in how this will prevent a single crime is disingenuous of you. To say pass it and then we will see is insanity. People did that with prohibition and many other laws in the past. Didn't work out well any many died because of it. These types of laws would cause the same thing in the creation of a black market by criminals that will rival the gang problem we now have in our urban cities, my opinion

What is the need for these new fees to impose on a select group of people Apir7n, I would like to know the purpose of that, if it is not to make it harder to own a lawfull item.

@Jack. I believe the registration of firearms curbs the black market. If a gun is registered you will be held accountable when this gun shows up at a crime scene. A lot of firearms are purchased through straw men. registration should prevent this. I also mentioned before that when you commit a felony you not only are prohibited to buy arms in the future but that you also return the firearms you purchased in the past. again with registration would be able to enforce this.
to support your side. owning a firearm is not a crime. asking for fingerprints is not acceptable. and finally. Hitler did not rise to power by disarming Germans. He rose to power by silencing any political opposition.

Aspir7n@ Straw men is allready illegal under Federal Laws, it has not worked and never will, because again criminals do not obey laws and circumventing any identifacation system easy in this day and age. Also many States have laws on the gun shows for back rounds and some do not. All of these things are already laws, over 20,000 or more across this Nation.

Bottom line is that penalizing honest citizen by thinking it will stop a criminal is just plain insane to me.

You are wrong on Hitler also. He disarmed all the people who he thought would oppose him in the future. He then killed millions of them, and not all of them were jews people forget, it was also anyone who did not support the party or that he just plain disliked, even those who helped him.

He blsmed the jews for all the ills of Germany, to me no different then when you see all the comments around the Country of every gun owner being responsible for the ills of violence. Not paranoid, but history shows you do not dare trust the Government in power even in a free society you must be ever watchfull of the Government.

The founder wrote a lot about this subject and had a lot of fear of the Government and Pure Democracy which is "mob rule". That is why we are a Representative Republic and not a Democracy. Franklin once said when asked what he had given us. "A free Republic if you can hold on to it". Eroding rights is the first step to losing it in my opinion.

Aspir7n@

You have to understand registration creates a list every item owned on that list in the law. How is that acceptable? You are against the fingerprinting, it is in the law. People lie on registration forms, we have 11 million illegal getting away with out notice in this Country, many of collecting government and state funds. They are banned from entering the Country are they not?

You are correct on the felon also which is another law already in place. But criminals again do not obey laws. Can't say that enough ;-}. This is scarey politics at its worst, using evil acts and the victims to move forth an agenda that only affects the rights of law abiding citizens, that is indiputable to me. I see no other motivation for the Finn Bill, except it is an opertunistic time to show pictures of murdered children and talk about how me owning a firearm is somehow responsible.

I am sick an tired of being labeled this way as are many others. As I said 100 million owners in this Country and .00001 % of the legal owners commit murder in my own estimation, next to none for this massacres.

Interesting that no-one mentions this. The Bath School disaster is the historical name of the violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927 in Bath Township, Michigan that killed 38 elementary school children and 6 adults, and injured at least 58 other people. Proves evil finds a way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

To conclude Aspir7n@ I realize I write a lot of post on this and I have been derided and insulted for it for years. There is no simple answer to violence and there is no all inclusive cure either.

I am not a violent person, I am a Vet, I am a retired firefighter, worked with law enforcement in my various carreers also and many other trades I have done. But the one thing many people deride me about is that I am a law abiding card carrying member of the NRA, which for most gun clubs is a requirement of belonging.

I belong to no political party or organization (except NRA Member) or even religion, because in this Country it is my right. When you want to start taking a right and registering it and making list of who owns what, I draw the line, it scares the hell out of me.

I do not care what people do in their private lives as long as it does not affect me an is legal not affecting society. So why am I being singled out because I own a perfectly legal item?

I know many NRA members who do not support all the NRA goals or political actions. What I have not seen is an NRA member victimized by the NRA because his views do not agree with theirs. Freedom is a 2 way street when it comes to speech, but not when politicians are trying to take away rights. Just a little backround for you ;-}

Again Aspi7n@ thanks for being respectfull, it is refreshing to say the least ;-}

You don't have to look that far back in time. Google up the situation in Australia since there "Gun Registration".

When was the last time you saw a law reveresed? As hard as this may be to stop, it will be even harder to reverse or stop confiscation later.
First step in confiscation of anything is finding out how many there are and where they are. This way you don't have to violate the 4th amendment (unreasonable searches and seizures). It becomes some-much-more reasonable to seize them. Our forefathers recongnized that way back when....

Correct PaulW@ The most slippery slope there is happens when you take just 1 only 1 right away. Others will follow shortly after.

Wow NL@, you must have been working on this for days to be posting so fast one after the other lol.

50,000 mudered. What world was that on? 2012 figures are not out yet by the way and here are the actual numbers for 2011.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11

8583 people were murdered with firearms: 6220 handguns, 323 rifles, 356 shotguns, 1684 other/not stated.
1694 were murdered w/ knives or cutting instruments.
496 were murdered w/ blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)

By the way it has been going down for quite some time now also. As you can see 8,583 is not (50,000).

Pray tell how it makes it more difficult by fingerprinting honest people or banning ownership, or taxing them till you can't afford them (which is the same thing as banning them or confiscation).

New it would not take long to get to the "oldman" line. I suspect angry white guy is not far behind along with your many other standard personal attacks.

Well its really not worth arguing with you when you have come so late to the debate with numbers that are clearly not even close to believable not fact based. So your credibility is as usual shot to heck lol.

Have fun talking to yourself, I prefer those posting here who at least have the decency to keep it respectfull and thoughfull discourse. Unlike someone we both know lol.

"I also challenge anti-gun people to list one item in this Country that has been banned or made illegal or regulated, that no criminal has been able to get hold of or manufacture themselves?"

True enough, but it would certainly make it more difficult.
Almost 50,000 intentionally shot with guns - last year.
Nearly 12 thousand homicides, and 20 thousand suicides all in 2010.

That's 32,000 deaths by firearms in America in one year.
http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-nra-kills-gun-violence-research-2013-1
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/deaths_2010_release.pdf

Table 12 and 13.

The TOTAL number of American deaths in Afghanistan for 2010?
Two thousand, one hundred seventy eight, in a WAR zone.
http://icasualties.org/oef/

If the shooters had roll their own, who knows how low that will go?
What are you afraid of, old man?

I particularly admire you lack of convictions or moral compass; illustrated in your claim to search facts, but skip the seminal data. That, and your continuous pouting that you won't engage someone like me that can still be bothered to call cranks like you for what you are.

Here's the bottome line; guns are treated as sacrosanct by gun-rights advocates until you sell them, loose them or misplace them in your Prepper cache.

Regitration with the police is a first step in holding you accountable for your weapon, and a route to prosecuting those that sell to anyone with a wedge of cash.

It's the guns, stupid.

Nicely done sir.

Same on that one Jim, please refrain from these type of post. It only inflames the anti-gun crowd to say "see they are nuts". Not exactly helping the honest law abiding gun owner. Respectfully jack

Jim, I am with Jack B on this. Please don't promote harrassment. They (the enemy here) have been at this (political games-manship) a lot longer than us. We must be the civilized.

I am just as upset as you with this all. Please consider deleting your two posts. I don't / haven't flagged as inappropriate because I also believe in the 1st amendment. ...and keeping my powder dry ;)

Should have added there are better words to explain things, and I know we all say things or type things on the spur of the moment at times.

For info. To delete any post on the patch you make yourself, merely go to your profile and clcik on your comments. They will come up and have a delete button, which will take you back to the article you posted on and allow you to delete the ones you feel you want to correct or re-write etc. ;-}

PS; Remember anything typed in cyber space is there forever and copied by many. once there it is floating somewhere even if deleted. This more than anything is a reason to be concerned about knee jerk post as it is about Knee jerk Bill like the one being discussed. let us all keep it clean on both sides please.

" Under her logic, we should all have to register before consuming any alcohol, and have a device placed in all cars so that no one can drive them but the registered person, and only after they have removed a safety feature in place while it is parked."

That's a false equivalence, and a frequent lame tactic applied by gun-rights advocates. Automobiles are designed to be safe, guns are designed to be deadly.

When people purchase a vehicle, it's to move from one place to another.
When people purchase a gun, it's to apply deadly force.

There is a difference in the design intent.
Isn't it obvious, Capt Oblivious?

Excellent Jack. Spreading the word is key. There is a piece on Projo.com. FB comments for that.

" How would it possibly prevent another school shooting?"

I dunno, maybe by reducing the readily available weapons on the street?

"Please focus on solving the problem"
Which is the guns, Genius.

".. such as by putting armed security in schools"
Right, what we need is MORE guns - and who will pay for this? Where do we string the concertina wire, and install the full-body Xray kits.

"... rather than pursuing a radical - and unconstitutional - fantasy."
Umm... turning elementary schools into Gitmo by the Bay sounds rational to you?

"Our children deserve better than this."
We agree on that. I prefer to raise my children in a peacable, civilized way where the risk of bodily harm in their classes is from dodgeball.

What you're suggesting sounds an awful lot like Pakistan.

"A well regulated Militia..."

I suppose it takes a law degree to see the angle, there.
If you gun owners can't secure your personal arsenals - it's a public health issue.

@jack/jimB
Please leave the moderating up to the editor. Also, please note that writing to rep Finn will do nothing. The bill has been proposed and will be voted on by the House Judiciary Committee. People should e-mail members of the HJC. Just saying........

Before nap. ;-}

Was not trying to moderate Basecase not offend you, merely pointing out that being respectfull to other posters and the politicians involved in this issue is the key to keeping debate on track and not allowing the opposing views to turn it into the usual screaming match or personal attacks which sorry to say is the history of this anti-gun agenda across the Country to deflect, where the real issue of our rights gets lost in my opinion.

I agree writing Finn or calling her accomplishes nothing. She wrote this and obviously believes in it. Not going to change the mind of someone who would write such a draconian Bill to take the a sacred right from citizens, in my opinion. Writing and calling all the members of the GA and whoever is co-sponcering it is the key to defeat any Bill. Just saying ;-}

PS; It is just jack, JimB, same mother born different time lol.

Jack is the King of the Patch, basecase -

he doesn't moderate, so much as attempt to dominate.
Prodigious intellect that he is, it's worth considering his many achievements...

Um... bringing back the bolo tie? Setting the keystroke count record on the Patch?

It seems Robert E. We agree wholely on something ;-}

About the time you idiots realize that you're promoting anarchy and getting our kids
killed. Tea Party logic is much the same as what paranoid schizophrenics use;
facts bent to fit a fantasy. The problem is your fantasy is getting Americans killed.

There's no constitutional liberty to aid and abet murder.

If the contact information is available via public sites, why can it not be posted here?

Is it ok to post links to sites that have contact information?

Thats would be the "Newport Rifle Club". Don't think it proper to post their number or explain the procedure as only an officer of the club should do that in private. They are in the phone book. Not being offensive, I just feel it not appropiate and m,ay be a violation of TOS in anycase. Thank you for asking.

Oops or their website.

http://www.newportrifleclub.org/

May be interesting to note it is the oldest and the First Rifle club formed in the US.

You can not join at this time. The are limited by liability insurance reasons to 700 members.

You can join a waiting list. I someone dies or fails to renew you might get in.

"Well regulated militia..."

Hard to be reasonable about something that's getting so many Americans killed.
At home. At school. In shopping malls. At movie theaters. None in warzones.

We're not going to keep quiet about perpetuating atrocities for anachronisms.

You want to play dressup with your guns? Fine - do it on the range, with a cop.
It's a clear and present danger to the general welfare.

You lot aren't protecting us from an existential threat of government tyranny -
you're perpetuating one by making us afraid for our children around YOUR guns.

This is (yet another) paranoid fantasy.

Naome,
Thats right , that wasn't DiFi on 60 minutes. It was Wayne LaPierre dressed up as her. She does carry a gun ever since Milk was killed. Oh, and her guards have 15 and 30rd mags. She openly admits all this, no fantasy necessary.
I've been a licensed investigator for 21 years and (thankfully) I've never had to use my weapon during my work. No fantasies out there. There are some sick and dangerous individuals out there who know how to hurt those less capable of self defense. In my work, I've seen women brutalized so bad by the evil of that men have done to them. Scars that do not heal. Their only equalizer is a firearm. Its near impoosible in RI to get them a CCW at the AG's office. Mostly we suggest they move to Mass (if you can believe it) so they can get issued. With this bill restricting their rights further or my right in my line of work for that matter is not a decent thing to do. There are better ways without hurting those just trying to get by. All inclusive taxation is not the answer.

Not a lie, Go to the FBI crime statistics and you will see more people were killed with knives then by rifles in 2011.

More people were also killed by Hammers then rifles in 2011.

You are wrong on "infringe" look up the definition at merriam/webster.

You might also want to read the Rhode Island Constitution. Section 22 Article 1

“The right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed”

Polls do not rule this Country, nor does the majority, we are not a Democracy and never have been. We are a "Representative Republic", Pure Democracy is mob rule, please look up the difference.

The Supreme Court has yet in history to give a definitive rule on the 2nd Amendment, they have only ruled on specific narrow laws and have approved reasonable restrictions on arms. This Bill is not reasonable at all and demonizes, dicriminates, unjustly taxes, fingerprints and creates list that do not apply equally to the rest of the citizens. That is the problem with this Bill and the fact that it is being done under the guise of the good of the people to prevent something it cannot and will never prevent, which is evil people bent on violence.

I am more worried about a person like you who has obvious problems when you call all gun owners, liars, crazy, only you have rights, its all mostly men ( how sexist of you), many female shooters would disagree I am sure.

If you think her Bill is middle ground well I have to laugh at that one. Not even close.

I would add that I am sure you think a semi-automatic rifle is an assault weapon or some military grade weapon? It is not. Now there is a lie for you that anti-gun people have been using for decades, for no other reason then they have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to legal arms.

The Heller case was about a city so regulating handguns that a citizen could not own one or use one to protect himself effectly bannign the citizens from owning guns. They were ordered to change it because the man who filed the suit has the right to own a firearm.

Which by the way, for all their strictest gun laws in the Country Chi-town is murder Captial of this Country with over 500 murders with guns last year and on track to exceed that this year all ready.

Please tell me what I have said that is crazy, and list what item has ever been banned that a criminal has not been able to aquire or manufacture?

How can you read the minds of politicians? You cannot say this not a stepping stone to bans or confiscation. When you regulate something to the point of a citizen not being able to purchase that item, you have effectivly banned that item. That is what this Bill is written to do. To make it so hard for the average citizen to purchase a gun or to keep the guns they have.

You may not see that, but most reasonable people can see that writing on the wall and in the minds of many current politicians in icluding Rep. Finn. It is stark reality.

@sammykayrlz- That is about the most absurb statements I have seen so far. The people of this comment section are United State citizens. They have the right to speak as they will. We as law abiding gun owners have the right, according to the Constitution, to own a gun period. That is the law! Myself and others are not on here trying to intimidate people in any way shape or form. We are discussing as mature and rational adults the obvious fact of the continue violation of lawful and non violent gun owners rights by the Government. As far as middle ground? The more the Government tries to squeeze out our Constitutional rights, the less middle ground we are willing to give. Nobody here is opposed to exploring ways to look at gun regulation and coming up with common sense solutions. However, when these types of "over the top" solutions are niether discussed or debated in an open forum amongst all peoples involved, it will find itself being protested. This is exactly what is happening here. I ask you to do you homework and find out more about the opposing side. You can do this by meaningful and polite discussion. You may find that what you think you know, based on what you may have seen on TV or read in a opinionated news article, is not anywhere close to what is the actual truth.

@jack, you have to resort to tricky words to claim its not a lie, but replacing "guns" with "rifles". you are correct that more people were killed by knives than "rifles", but not guns. If you really had a valid point and could defend it, you'd stop with the numerous examples of trickery to turn lies into truth. And saying that criminals will commit crimes no matter what is just plain insanity. So are you saying we should have no laws at all? and by the way, most gun murderers first act of criminal behavior, is when they shoot someone for the first time! There's actually no supporting evidence that high majority of gun murders are committed by "criminals" that had long standing criminal records. In fact, the contrary is true. Especially if we did the smart thing and tackled gun violence in different ways - meaning there's different solutions to gang violence (yes, criminal background is prevelant in gang related gun deaths), which have different solutions than mass murder (mental health, anti-psychotic drug use factors, high capacity weapons, no past criminal record typically), which is different than irresponsible gun ownership (mandatory locks/safes/storage, training requirements).

Sammy, how about we tax all of your garden tools and those in your shop? Do you own any hammers, screw drivers, kitchen knives? All of those may be used as a dedly weapon. While we're at it, let's charge you $100 per tool for the privilage of registering them. If you choose to not comply, we will fine you $3000 per tool and throw you in prison for 3 years per violation. That means for the garden hoe too. Absurd you say? Of course, because there is no baisis in fact for justifying H5573. 80 million law abiding gun owners did no wrong yet they are being criminalized because of the heindous crimes of a small percentage of the population (o.oooo3% of the us pop.) Is that good public policy? No, that sir, is tyranny!

I always wonder with Patch comments who people really are...Linda, is that you?? Because I find it hard to believe that anyone (besides you) could have such irrational thoughts on the subject!

@ jack. are you really sinking that low to pimp up statistics to make them sound right for you? is it true that more popes resigned than people got killed by a nerf gun?

well done sammykay to discover that spin.

SDK@ Nothing common sense about this law. Why because it prevents nothing and penalizes, taxes and singles out one select group of honest citizens for no discernable reason.

To safe Storage. gun owners know or should know the proper handling of a weapon I admit you cannot fix stupidy if someone fails to obey simple safety guidelines any more than you can write a law criminals will obey.

However what you do in your home is up to you not the Government, no gun ever saved anyone with a trigger lock or safety device. Education of firearms the key to safety just like not being stupid enough to stick a fork in a toaster. Ever see a law against that?

To so called assault weapons; Just what are who is selling these selective firing weapons? No assault weapon was used at Sandy Hook, or the other incidents. They were semi-automatic rifles, which are used for hunting, sports, and self defence, varmit hunting in the South is by the most popular semi-automatic rifle by the way. An AR15 Bushmaster (is not an assult rifle) for its accuracy. Though many States ban it for deer hunting as it is not enough power to take a deer down in a single shot for the average hunter.

MA gun laws like all gun laws have done nothing to stop gun violence, it will continue no matter what law is writen, even banning every manufacture of guns will not prevent violence, evil finds a way.

To Lanza, he broke over 10 laws to get those guns and failed at trying to buy guns. He was to young in CT.

Also on the Assault weapons ban. Automatic weapons were banned in 1934 and only the Federal Government can grant a citizen the right to own one and only with very strict guides from the Government and the State in which that owner resides.

To include that rifles alone account for only 327 deaths I think it was last year and the common hammer killed more than that the same year.

Singling out specific items is accomplishing nothing to stop violence and never will. Think bans on drugs, booze or anything in history, and you will find it just does not work period.

You are correct on one thing for sure.

"Owning a firearm means that you and *only* you are fully responsible for its use or misuse at all times."

That is the axium for anything anyone owns or any action they take in their life. Self-responsibily. Never read anything from the founders in the federalist papers or their writings on your assertion of the use and misuse though. I believe they wrote the 2nd Amendment to allow the people to protect all the other Amendments should our Government become tyrannical. Now that is in many writings of the founders as the reason for it.

Never say never comes to mind on that.

SDK@ Your numbers on gun laws in MA are not correct by a long shot compared to the rest of the Country or even New England.

Notice CT an MA are the highest in New England. The states with less restrictive laws are also lower that the States with stricter laws. So your facts are wrong.

New England Gun Murder rates 2010

New Hampshire gun murders per 100,000/ 0.4 or all types of murders 1.0
Maine gun murders per 100,000/0.8 or all types of murder 1.8
Massachusetts murders per 100,000/1.8 or all types of Murder 3.2
Connecticut gun murders per 100,000/2.7 or all types of murder 3.7
Rhode Island gun murders per 100,000/1.5 or all types of murder 2.8

Crime in the United States 2010 - FBI Uniform Crime Reports

Also so notice that when you look at all types of murders, more are done with other than guns in MA and CT which have strict guns laws. If you cannot prevent that with more laws on honest law abiding citizens how can you say this law will do it?

I also take offence to your using a victim in Newtown who was murdered in order to justify this Bill. She was a mother who was murdered and then robbed by her son. Have some respect geesh.

OMG SDK@ Really?
"Without a safe storage law, we are only as safe as our most irresponsible gun owners and all of their mentally ill relatives and friends. "

Even WITH a "safe storage law" -- we are only as safe as our most irresponsible gun owners and all of their mentally ill relatives and friends.

I hope you read Jack B's response. Guns are NOT the problem.

"A state with no licensing, no registration, and no safe storage is a state where guns have no real legal owners."
Replace guns with any-other item (Hammer, box cutter, knife of any kind, baseball bat) does that make sense?

I think I should take away all your tools because they are not registered.

"I also take offence to your using a victim in Newtown who was murdered in order to justify this Bill. She was a mother who was murdered and then robbed by her son. Have some respect geesh." Jack the NRA patsy

Right, you're not standing in the blood of innocents defending this.
Crocodile tears from you again, you bogus fraud.

Totally correct and on target Dexter. ;-}

"FBI, CDC, USDOJ, DEA know exactly who kills, where, how many a year and why. None of it involve the 80 million legal gun owners."

Umm... James Holmes purchased his guns legally.
Wade Michael Page shot up a sikh temple service with a legal handgun.
The Virginia tech murders? A legal gun... see the trend?
That's the problem, even these gun owners were legal until they committed murder.

There's no permit screening process for that.

hers another one PaulW and there are many others.

In Maryland, Democratic Gov. Martin O’Malley’s singular obsession with passing extreme gun-control laws has Beretta USA, maker of the standard-issue U.S. military pistol, considering a move. That would leave its 400 employees looking for work and deliver a massive blow to local suppliers. Likewise, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has Remington Arms Co. and its 1,300 employees looking at moving out.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/27/gun-grabbers-kill-jobs/#ixzz2MDCW0BeV
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

The estimate for Berreta money leaving the state of Maryland is well over a $100 million.

In CT, the lose of money from manufactures there is over $1.5 Billion dollars if they decide to move the planed expansion to Texas, which the owner has Stated he is seriously considering and have been offered large incentives from Texas.

To conclude on your ill informed and obvious lies! This Bill is about abrogating sacred rights under the Rhode Island Constitution. The inanimate object is being use as a hammer to destroy those rights. You should be proud that people are standing up for your sacred rights! It is sad and shamfull in my opinion that you are not.

Finally: Hitler disarmed Germans by passing gun laws in 1938: This myth resurfaces over and over again by pro-gun lobbyist. Implying the US government has similar motives to enslave its citizen is idiotic and pure fear mongering of the NRA to make people believe that there are coming for your guns. Yes, Hitler introduced a weapons act in 1938. But this lifted and relaxed any previous gun control measures. Hitler defacto armed Germans and reasoned this with the threat of socialists and liberals wanting to over through the government. LaPierre uses the same rhetoric.

HTTP://EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG/WIKI/GUN_POLITICS_IN_GERMANY
HTTP://WWW.LAW.UCHICAGO.EDU/FACULTY/HARCOURT/HARCOURT_FORDHAM.PDF

Incorrect Apir7n@ on the armed guard at Columbine. The Guard was not only not in the building at the time, he was not armed at all. Gun free zone by the way. It is a long standing lie the anti-gun crowd likes to spread however.

Except from the Governors reposrt on Columbine.
http://www.state.co.us/columbine/Columbine_20Report_WEB.pdf

At 11:21 A.M., Jefferson County Deputy Paul Magor Answered a dispatcher’s call advising of a fire and explosion on Wadsworth Boulevard between Chatfield and Ken Caryl Avenues, and drove to that location. At the same time, Deputy Niel Gardner, who was Coumbines’s school resource officer, was eating lunch with Andy Marton an unarmed school security guard, in his patrol car when a call from the school custodian on the school’s two-way radios advised that Gardner was needed on the “back lot of the school.” Two minutes later, Gardner and Marton arrived at the senior parking lot, where they heard another transmission over the school radio, stating that there was a shooter in the school” There was so much traffic on the police radio that gardner later said he had been unable to advise dispatchers that he was on the scene.

You may want to look at the blunt object stat for the hammer thing at the 2011 FBI stats I quoted. So you are incorrect again. By the way Knives or cutting instrument are 1,694. We going to register and fingerprint those owners?

Ok onto the Hitler thing. Said he disarmed all those who he believed would oppose him or cause any percived trouble for him i.e. 6 million jews, gypsies, christians, some germans, etc. So the fact is he did disarm the public in the same way these anti-gun crowd are try to do to a seloective group of citizen in the U.S. in the end, (See comment by Diane Finstien on 60 minutes, where she said she would take every gun away from people if she could). dont have the link off hand.

Mother Jones would be credible if they had actual links to the laws they are talking about, but they do not, nor does the link they provide have links to the actual laws. Just supossition on them.

On the sledding and such those a grouped in whole like I said as blunt object, they also do not distinguish on the exact makes and model of rifles or shot guns or hand guns.

To your reply to Dex. though I am sure he will answer specificly, this Bill affects the 4th, 5th and a few other rights. I suggest you read the Constitution and then read this Bill and it is quite obvious what is being eroded or out right violation of many of our rights. Not the least of which is due process before being penalized that I would or may commit a crime in the future with an inanimate object like a rifle or any gun for that matter.

Apir7n@ just for clarity if I do get something wrong or mistakenly post something that is incorrect, I assure you I will appologize and try to correct it if it is brought to my attention. I am trying to keep this debate on track and factual with out hyperbole as hard as that is. I am very passionate about this and any issue concerning my right.

We all make errors and no-one is perfect. But the anti-gun crowd for the most part never really seem to have the knowledge they need on this issue to formulate a reasonable argument. ie how does any of these laws infringing on rights of honest citizens prevent violence? That is the only solution and answer I wish they would explain. To date I have never seen anything explained on how that works, or why an honest citizen should have rights abrogated due to the actions of dishonest citizens.

Perhaps you would like to take that one on, I would be very interested in debating your answer to that and the question I keep asking anti-gun advocates. (what ban on anything has ever prevented its use).

after 160 comments we all made mistakes, jack. :) its 'pump' not 'pimp' and u and I are next to each other on my keyboard. my sincere apology.
your linked pdf confirms what I am saying. page 32 bottom third (page 6 of the commissions evaluation). quote "school resource officer Gardner exchanged gunfire with Eric Harris'. I am correct, your statement is false.

reversed gun laws and quoting motherjones.com. motherjones is reputable website and I don't believe it is my job to question their content. I am sure you all know there was a federal assault weapons ban enforced in 1994. it expired 2004 and these weapons are available again. enforced bans do get reversed.

Sorry Aspir7n@ But you are still incorrect, you were talking about the school security "Guard" Andy Marton who was an unarmed school security guard. (Yea pic,ky I know)As for the Resource officer it matter not because of what you said about a good guy stopping a bad guy. He exchanged fire after these perps got in the school, I have allways wondered why an armed officer who was suppose to be in the school was out in a car and 2 minutes to get back to the school.

Sit and watch your clock for 2 minutes and imagine how many these 2 killed in that time, not to mention being able to have cover for when the police arrive. Frankly I think he should have been fired. Maybe he was I don't know. But I do know had he been in the school and heard the first shot, he would have been exchanging gun fire within seconds and obviously gave second thoughts two those 2 cowards who did this.

A good guy is the only thing that stops a bad guy, unless the bad guy offs himself first.

That report was an interesting read was it not. Did you get the impression from that report that nothing could have prevented the violence there that day or even today from determened evil people?

This is it in a nut shell. No matter what you regulate, make laws to ban, control, stop manufacture of etc; nothing will prevent an evil person from committing and evil act. All most are saying is that penalizing the goo asn honest is not the answer, that is illogical. The answer is the criminal themselves.

I hate to use this example Aspir7n.

But look at it this way. for 2 decades we have forbidden Iran from making a Nuclear weapon, because they are signatories of the non-proliferation Treaty. (Israel is not and therefore cannot be punished by the UN for non- compliance; before people jump on that nonsense ;-}).

So consider this, if you will; A law was passed, it was agreed to by the signatories to be indefinitely enforced on May 1995. UN resolutions to punish Iran for violating the law, I.E. (they are the criminal in this case} have not worked at all. They have been inspected 100’s of times over 2 decades and nothing was found or very little in that time. (Criminal hiding weapons to avoid getting caught for parole violation). Covert actions have determined they were producing plutonium in violation of the treaty. (Criminal possessing a gun), so more resolutions to punish and supposedly force them to comply. (criminal goes to court for parole violation, slap on wrist, retrieves hidden guns). As you see the Government will always be incapable of enforcing a law on a criminal until after that fact.

I could go on, but I think you see my point that if the laws do not prevent the criminal from getting a weapon or violating the law, how does the law penalizing me prevent the criminal from getting a weapon or violating the laws?

;-}

Forgot to add that the exaple is exactly the same, just different weapons, and the fact that Iran (criminal with a weapon) can kill millions in one shot and not be prevented. How does Finn or Obama justify the quote Obama used of "if we save one childs life it is worth it". It should be how can we save all childrens lives, though an impossibilty in this case. There are many other ways to midigate this violence that do not require the things in this Bill to be enforced on those who have never done an illegal act with a weapon in their life at all.

I cannot for the life on me understand why an anti-gun person does not understand that.

Oh sorry on the pimp also, my bad. I have deyslyxia and I looked at it a few times to make sure it said that an it never occured to me I could have easily typed pump that way also many times lol. Not to mention big fingers on hands that are bent from arthritis and double key all the ime when I do not proof read in word it become "wow" what did he say.

I spend more time correcting most of the time than anything. I also say the heck with it at time and post it anyway because it irritates "certain posters" to no end evidently lol.

Gun-rights advocates manufacturing facts to bolster their indefensible position?

Imagine that.

I am sure you will be able to get many thoughtfull statements at the rally Olga, Bring a lot of paper or recording equipment I think lol.

I cannot attend but I am sure it will be a lot.

I think you allready have my perspective I am sure lol.

"I am sure you will be able to get many thoughtfull statements at the rally Olga, Bring a lot of paper or recording equipment I think lol.
I cannot attend but I am sure it will be a lot."

You didn't go? You're so keen on the issuance of this bill, shouldn't you be on the front lines to defend your ardent position? It's not like your day job interferes.

All hat, no cattle.

As you well know from previous post NL@, I care for a 100% disabled person 24 hours a day who is in Constant severe pain. So yea that is more important to me than anything. Sorry to burst your bubble.

On the other hand there probably has been a person killed by a nerf gun somewhere. Murphy's law is alive and well, as is the darwin awards. ;-}. So you actuall could be right on that Aspir7n@, though using such hyperbole to try and make a point on this issue is not very credible I think lol.

Aspir7n@. Be sure to at least answer if you please the spin accusation because I do not see that in the sammy answer anywhere.

@Jack. I have been following these comments since yesterday and agree with you 100%. But I must give Aspir7n the benefit of doubt. I think he misspelled "...pump up statistics.." in his haste to rebut your comment.

Forgot to add that, that air rifle was as deadly to be shot with as any rifle today.

Never heard of grandchildren huh. hmmm who new lol

Actually, @NL, I do. A wonderful little boy – and I was born in the late 60's. And do you know what? I still believe in my civil liberties. Just like I believe in your civil liberty to spout out hate and discontent. Kind of funny, huh?

@ James Madison -

Two things;

What kind of parent would keep an AR15 in their home after Newtown?
What kind of parent is chiming in here, at one thirty in the morning?

Answer?
No kind of parent at all.
I call shenanigans - the vast majority of posters here and all the other overun comment pages dominated by Conservative cranks recycling the Fox news feed
are long past the age of childrearing, meaningful employment or relevance.

Good afternoon Aspir7n@.

The point with the assault reference is that is what is always by people that write these Bill, because that is the one word they feel people will have no problem with saying ban that weapon. problem is there is no such problem with them, because what they call assault weapons are not assault weapons. They are just a rifle period.

It is not Democratic to take away rights or to abrogate them through taxes and other means in this Bill, that clearly violate the Rhode Island Constitution.

This one takes a long explanations sorry ;-}.

As My link says the guard was not at the School at the time, nor was the resource officer who was unarmed. "At the same time, Deputy Niel Gardner, who was Columbine’s school resource officer, was eating lunch with Andy Marton an unarmed school security guard, in his patrol ". It clearly says the Guard was unarmed. They exchanged fire after the fact,(Maybe the resource officer gave they guard a gun, I do not remember reading that), They were in any case in no position to stop the mass of carnage before it started like they should have been.

Part 2

I will surmise if they were on post in the school the perps would not have had 2 minutes to roam the school killing so many in the first 2 minutes! Exchanging fire with them immediately would have obviously held them up from moving so freely early on allowing more police to be in a position to stop them, would you not agree? It took 2 minutes for them to arrive back at the school, which is an eternity in a situation like this was.

Whether they were allowed to go to lunch together obviously off school grounds, the report does not say; if they were that was insanity to allow that. Not to mention a great lack of common sense. That is the reason for people who say there were armed guards at the school is a fallacy since it was after they fact. It is well known they planned this attack long before doing it.

I suspect they knew full well these two people went to lunch at the same time. There is a lag time for any law enforcement getting to an incident, which is the paramount reason for the private citizen to be armed if they so choose also.

Criminals do not wait for police to arrive before committing the criminal act, why should I have too? Any shooting between law enforcement, along with a private citizen in preventing a crime, usually last less than a minute in close quarters. Universities and schools have had security and in many cases they are armed for decades.

Part 3
A fact those who are screaming (the national media) about the NRA position on armed guards in school ignore as it negates their agenda against the NRA on that issue.

I will not continue to discuss the German thing if you so wish, but the fact remains I never said he disarmed the whole German people. Only those select groups he believed would oppose him and those he wished to exterminate. No different to me then this agenda driven knee jerk reaction Bills to single out one specific group of citizen’s. Trust in the Government is a 2 edged sword as they say. Which history proves.

On registration of firearms would reduce gun violence. Not true, the vast majority of gun violence is done by weapons not registered because they are bought on the black market, which you can never prevent. Most State require you to register Hand Guns or register that you own one by virtue of have to be issued a permit for a hand gun. That is the case in Rhode Island and if you have a (concealed carry permit) the local police chief in the town you reside has to approve it so they have a record also of all approvals.

The Supreme Court has rules that under the Constitution that State rights permit the individual States to set reasonable restriction on arms in their respective States. That is why there are 10’s of thousands of them on the books across the Country. Many sadly not enforced. To keep adding even more laws like the one proposed here is lunacy in my opinion.

Part 4

The finger-printing and mass registration is no different than database of honest people who may commit crime. It singles out a group of people not the whole population which any individual is capable of committing a crime. I know if the whole of the population was required to be finger-printed and put in a data base there would be a revolution in this country.

I suspect you oppose that most stringently. There are estimated to be 100 million legal owners of arms. That is the majority of the adult population of the US. That is what you are supporting that is in this bill and Federal and State level bills in the Country, a select group of people using tragedies make it ripe to push totalitarianism, to take rights away. (never let a crisis go to waste by the current administration). That’s scary!

Giving law enforcement tools is not a problem. As long as they are reasonable; and do not “infringe” or violate the Constitution of the US or the State on the rights of law abiding citizens. This Bill in clearly does. People say ”well you are not a judge” But I know the definition of “infringe” that both Constitutions use that word prefaced by the legal words of all contracts of “Shall not” The words “shall not” in that legal context means absolutely you cannot do it. It’s the wording that has no ambiguous or arguable meaning. Ask any lawyer or judge that one ;-}.

Wow done on this one Aspir7n@ lol.

Self-responsibility in the home is the responsibilty of the private individual. You cannot legislate common sense any more than you can stupidy .

It is no different then if a law like that said running with sissors is forbidden and they must be secure in any home that has children. To include adults who are stupid enough to run with them. No knives shall be allowed to be kept in the open in any home and shall be locked up and covered with a plastic safety protector on the blade that is child resistant.

All children and adults shall be required to have safety classes on the use of every item on a citizens property, i.e. toasters, ovens, cleaning supplies, knives, electrical outlets, swimming pools, non-perscription and perscription drugs, trampolines, Hot tubs, dogs, etc. I think you can see how long I could make that list of things that also kill adults and children every year.

This is why I you cannot expect any legislation to prevent everything that could possible happen to anyone. It make no sense to even try.

Remember that many drugs are banned but it did nothing to stop deahts. Warning labels on things do nothing to prevent a child who does not read them or cannot read yet. But we do see many deaths from those things do we not.

There is a big difference between attempting to try things to see if they will work through legislation and using common sense.

murphy's law applies to all humans as does darwin awards. ;-}

"I seem to recall law enforcement loose or have their guns stolen at a rapid rate... "

Not that this is on topic, I don't - can you back this up?

"Recent ATF reports full auto AR-15's being stolen during a sting operation in their patrol cars in Wisconsin. Not to mention the so called sold and stolen 1911 sidearm from a ATF director that ended up a near a mexican national crime scene of a cartel murder.. " You can, of course provide verifiable citations for these claims?

"You can't believe everything you read on the internet."
- Abraham Lincoln

The problem with that ad Sammy is it rehashes the same solutions that have not worked in the past, why would they work now? Would you continue to try and put a square peg into a round hole? The Square peg being the anti-gun crowd laws and the hole being the US and Rhose Island Constitution. Guess what it does not fit.

Get a better argument to explain how any of this prevents violence by criminals, because so far you have not posted a single one, same as every anti-gun advocate and yes even those in that ad.

Thats common sense.

Will add that it would be intersting to know if any of those Generals own weapon and the types they own. Did you forget the memo when National Security Head, "Napolitano's" was considering labeling all returning veterns as potential domestic terrorist and that a list and watch should be placed on them was exposed.

No I think not.

What's your point? This thing is nearly six feet long.

Anyone who has fired a paintball gun is aware of how pressurized canisters fail.
Are you suggesting that "evil doers" will start making these in their basements?

How long would that take, do you suppose?

Just another red herring, to draw us off the scent.
Nice try, Chief Pailinnit Haiya-an Deepa

Still on the making fun of my (Native American Heritage I see). How you miss the point of the fact that even a teenager can make a dealy weapon out of the simplest of materials is beyong belief.

It was also an answer to Aspir7n@ discussion we were having about semi-automatic weapons,(that have been around for over 200 years) that are attempting to be banned from citizens to protect themselves from criminal acts.

The anti-gun people like yourself constantly say the 2nd amendent is about muskets and citizen have no right to own anything but muskets. A out and out lie. My post proves that obviously.

Paintball guns are not what this Bill is about either. So your argument fails there also.

Yes "evil doers) can make all kinds of weapons very simply in their basements that can do a lot more damage then any gun can or do the same damage a gun can. A fact you ignore so instead you support taking rights from a current estimation of 100 milion people who have never done and evil deed with a gun.

Far from a so called red herring as you can get in my opinion.

How about we tax every item and and register every item in your home that can cause death if used for evil?

Oh, NL@, when you going to start calling me an angry old white man again or a teaparty racist, ignorant, idiot, and on an on derogatory personal attacks? Yep real help to your credibility that is and the anti-gun crowd, who probably cringe at your post. Thaks for the pro-gun help. Saw it on post against others on this issue and you used them a lot on the last article concerning gun control. I mess them as they only help prove the the anti-gun crowd wishes nothing more than to trash the Constitution and tear it up.

"How about we tax every item and and register every item in your home that can cause death if used for evil?"

Nah - let's get a handle on the weapon of choice in American murders first.

"Still on the making fun of my (Native American Heritage I see)."
I'm making fun of the fact that you're as Native as anyone else that wants a Casino.

As in, when it's convenient for you and when it gets you special dispensation.
You can't have it both ways - that "personal responsibility thing".

Count the number of times you post on this, or any other article.
What tribe claims you? The Wampanogoouttat the House tribe?

Please, you're about as Native as the average firehydrant.
At least those are useful when they spout off.

Actually I am against Casino gableing but I am also for the right of of Native Americans in this State to for what they want on their land, the 2 do not conflict.

"Blackfoot Sioux" actually ;-} You are the first to ask by the way that I can recall.

To the guns, Handguns are the number one choice and used by criminals. What does this Bill do to stop those criminals? Absoluty nothing as they do not obey laws period, hense the reason they are criminals not law abidding citizens that this Bill only is aimed at!

Try again lol

Also nice to hear you could care less about the 1,000's of other people killes with inanimate objects by criminals and in accidents. Yep real logic you got there NL. (not)

on Both ways "personal responsibility thing". you State.

How is it both ways.

I have the right to protect my self and responsibilty with what I chose, just as you do. I chose a weapon I have the legal right to have.

You have the chice to do that or what ever legal item you want to protect your self and family.

Again where is the both ways in that?

Also; do I ask your personal information, sex, ethnicity,religion, real name etc. Nope.

Know why? Because it is none of my business. If I ever have, though I do not recall you doing that constantly to people, to the point of say people who do not live where the local patch is, should not be able to post, and to limit how many post, what they can say etc. Typical anti-gun rhetoric to deflect the issues as usual in my opinion.

Doesn't work but you have the right to try it lol.

"on Both ways "personal responsibility thing". you State. How is it both ways."

If you're living on the Taxpayer's dime in your retirement, going to the VA and coaching others how to get their slice of Social Security disability payments -
you're not paying your own way which is okay by you. (That's good socialism.)

When it comes to this issue, any attempt to get the few who actually own guns
to stop threatening the General Welfare, it's a slippery slope to Communism.

"...mess them as they only help prove the the anti-gun crowd wishes nothing more than to trash the Constitution and tear it up." That's just idiotic.

Like I said, you want things to have Jack's stamp of approval and you're willing to dominate this and EVERY discussion to get your tedious, unannotated, fractured fairy tale at every turn.

How about you step off the soap box for a few weeks, and let the grownups talk?

No clue what the first part has to do in that tirade NL@ with this.

However your "When it comes to this issue, any attempt to get the few who actually own guns to stop threatening the General Welfare, it's a slippery slope to Communism."

First off you finally got something right on guns. Congrats.

Second are you saying the estimated 100 million gun owners are threatening your general welfare. Thats about as out ragious as your lie of 50,000 people killed last year with guns here. lol

Again nice name calling and not wanting free speech unless approved by you. Wow your a piece of work lol.

Right, it's inconventient so we shouldn't consider it as redress to a real problem.

FYI - Laws aren't designed to stop the determined, they're in place to punish.
It's a tool for describing what will and will not be tolerated by the public.

This bill is a step in making gun owners responsible for their weapons, by putting teeth into enforcement of background checks. I would speculate that is will lead to prosecution of a few unscrupuolous dealers that sell the majority of guns used
in violent crimes to buyers that would not pass the basic screening, today.

"I for one do not support this bill and if it does become law, will not comply with it as it violates the 2nd Amendment of the United State Constitution."

That sort of defines a knee-jerk reaction, does it not?

It's long past time that deadly weapons be afforded the same sort of registration and proof of competence required of those holding a driver's license.

wow NL@ 2 things right in 1 day so far. "slippery slope to communism" and now this,

"FYI - Laws aren't designed to stop the determined, they're in place to punish."

Yes this law is for punishment of honest law abidding citizens who have commited no crime or broken a single law, just because they own a gun that is a sacred right in the Rhose Island Constitution.

Thanks for your support!!

Right. You care about children before they're born.

After that, not so much.
Please.

You're lining up with the people that want to put MORE guns in schools, and claim that you care about children. Cool story, Bro.

If you can't see how gun safety regulations indirectly benefit children, you're obtuse.

"The financial cost of imposing and administering the penalties in Rep Finns proposed law would far outweigh any financial benefits the state would generate from the fines and fees in the bill."

Right, after 20 toddlers were murdered in their school, this is about money.

" People already pay 7% when they purchase a gun in RI, why impose another fee?" Annual registration of vehicles identifies unsafe operations. Same principle.
It would certainly reduce the number of untracked gun sales, which is the source
of most weapons used in shootings. Every illegal firearm came from somewhere...

"The cost of administering the penalties under the proposed law will fall on the taxpayers too." The cost of police work, ER and Trauma care and mortuary services already fall on the Taxpayer's shoulders. It might be cheaper (if we're talking about just the money) if there were fewer shootings and the aftermath
to pay for. If you don't think the current climate of fear over shootings in public
has an attendant cost, you don't get out much.

Go ask a theater owner about their ticket sales after the Aurora shooting.

It's an expensive inconvenience for gun owners.
Cry me a river.

Not to mention a high correlation between the presence of a gun and shootings.

Let's try to deal with this from a perspective even the most ardent right-wing wonks
agree apon; personal responsibility. You want something dangerous? Fine.

Prove to the rest of us that you can handle it, keep it locked and accounted for.
What's proposed above is no more rigorous or invasive than vehicle inspections.

It's simple, reasonable and overdue.

The Connecticut State policy report on the Newtown elementary schools:
"State Police: All 26 Newtown victims shot with assault rifle"

Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4222299.php#ixzz2MUV9VlWa

Not that this red herring has anything to do with the issue at hand, but is there anything else we can clear up for you? You appear to be either ill-informed, ignorant or getting your news from an "unbiased" source.

We endured this drivel after 9/11, over Obama's first election count, over Obama's birth certificate and now this. It's a bloody freakshow with you cranks.

(By unbiased, I mean completely bogus.)

What, specifically do you consider illogical - posted above?

While we're discussing additional coursework, might I suggest you retake basic anatomy? I do believe you are expressing some orifice confusion.

(Speech normally emanates from the uppermost part of the digestive tract.)

Right, let's run down some of the commonalities, then you can elucidate on how these things are completely different, shall we?

Aurora shootings in a movie theater - we've got those.
Aurora shootings committed by a single man - yep, them too.
Aurora shootings committed with legally purchased weapons.

Check, Check and Check - still with me on this?
(Let me know if I'm going too fast.)

Connecticut shootings in a public school - (see the trend?)
Connecticut shootings with a gun from the shooter's own home - we've got that.
Connecticut shootings committed by someone that didn't register with police...

How exactly do you see that things are totally different in RI than anywhere else?

Did I mention that these mass murders were committed with guns?
That, too.

Perhaps you know something I don't.
Do tell...

Wow.

Lemme guess, you're a gun owner?
Where, exactly are the previously established FEMA camps? Is there a map?
Can anyone read it, or do you need some kind of secret decoder ring?

How many cans of corn do you have to buy to get one?

Tell us more, Reverend...

"It's so hard to try to think like a lib."

I know - the math alone requires counting past twelve.
Go ahead and take your shoes off, if you need to carry any of the bigger numbers.

For clarity and those that have a problem with common sense.

This Bill; Clearly "infringes" by definitionon of the word "infringe" also common sense.

Merriam/Webster
INFRINGE
transitive verb
1: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <infringe a patent>
2: obsolete: DEFEAT, FRUSTRATE

The Rhode Island Constitution, Article 1; Section 22 “The people right to own and bear arms shall not be infringed”.

"But when law abiding citizens"
You mean straight, Christian white people, right?

".. want to keep a gun in their house..."
I don't see the bill mentioned above restricting that, did you read that somewhere?

"...to protect themselves and their families,"
The problem seems to be with keeping the gun in the house. You gun owners
aren't particularly good with that part. You do see the problem with that, right?

"... suddenly the constitution isn't important anymore"
There appears to be some contention about what well-regulated and Militia mean -
but never mind that; your guns are killing our kids. That's not protected in the
Constitution, not in my reading of it anyway.

"... for them and they're ACLU friends."
Right, the ACLU is the problem.
When it defends gays, or people who aren't Christian, or white, etc.

The problem couldn't possibly be the irresponsible gun owners that can't keep
an accounting of their personal arsenal, pointed at an innocent child.

I suppose you're right, what we need is more guns and Jesus.
What would Jesus carry, by the way?

Naome "I suppose you're right, what we need is more guns and Jesus.
What would Jesus carry, by the way?"
Jesus being Jewish would probably carry an Uzi submachine gun.

Nah.

I'm too busy running you Fascist dipsticks out of my country.
We beat you over there, and now we'll do it here.

I'm sick of hearing you cranks prattle on about everyone else's responsibilities
while clinging to your exclusive rights. The Tea Party is little more than toddlers.

Belligerent, selfish and heavily armed toddlers.
Most of you are already back in diapers.

Try reading a book, for once. You might be toothless, but you need not be spoonfed - http://www.powells.com/biblio/17-9780805077742-43

If you really think someone like me, that points out your rejection of civic duty as it pertains to you is a socialist - you're just another tool. You're agitating for yet another entitlement that we can no longer afford.

Who do you think has been pulling your chain?
It's not the person standing in front of you while you scream and wave your flag.

http://www.newrepublic.com/book/review/whats-the-matter-with-white-people-working-class-joan-walsh#

If you think that someone intolerant of the public slaughter of our population is anti-American, your definition is perverse. It's long past time for you, and your fellow gun advocates to take a hard look at yourselves and your part in setting the stage for the next massacre.

You must be so proud.

Now, I wouldn't go so far as to call you a Neanderthal.

Troglodyte, maybe - but not Neanderthal. I do, in fact enjoy gainful employment and pay tax on my earnings. Would it surprise you to find that most posting here don't? If you're posting here, in the middle of the day, you're not on the clock.